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Post by Paullfc1976 on Aug 13, 2025 8:50:12 GMT
Glaring lack of creativity? Seesh. A bit of a stretch that. Salah will score and assist plenty, and left hand side is very dangerous as shown at the start of the game Sunday. As if Doak isn’t a greater threat than Salah. What’s Salah done in pre-season to prove himself 🙄 Quite frankly none of that made any sense. Frimpong & Kerkez don’t count, because they’re replacing TAA & Robbo? Huh. What? Kerkez is an undeniable upgrade, pushing Robbo back a notch and we will gain massive athletic ground with the intro of Frimpong, though I concede we may miss those fleeting moments of magic that TAA could provide. But we net improve massively regardless. Then finally to fail to see that the creativity, directness and pace will actually come from these new additions was all that post needed to fail to hit on so many levels. I haven’t even had to mention what Wirtz will bring. The only balls up, was the words being spat out. Salah not a proper winger… **** me… Having one of our best transfer windows ever and some are complaining. Madness. |
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Post by Fowi on Aug 13, 2025 8:50:35 GMT
It worries me that Leoni looks a lot like Garnacho.
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Post by Paullfc1976 on Aug 13, 2025 8:51:48 GMT
It worries me that Leoni looks a lot like Garnacho. Hahaha i thought that too but didn’t wanna say in case people thought i am mad. |
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Post by Yehez on Aug 13, 2025 8:52:36 GMT
My point is if we sign Wharton it would be to replace Jones or Dom or someone like that. We have enough midfielders, and Slot likes them all. Keeping those 4 AND Wharton is overkill. No it wouldn't, and no it's not. Endo must be next out the door. It won't be this summer, but he has to be next. I'd sell him now if I could. I just don't think he'll need replacing. |
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Post by Bewdleyfan on Aug 13, 2025 8:59:52 GMT
Because whilst he's a cult hero and a steady player who can do a job, he's replaceable with someone better. A better DM would clearly be an upgrade. Wharton is better than Endo, for example. It's not that I have an issue with Endo as a player or a person - he seems to be a typical Japanese gentleman with pride in how he holds himself, but as a player, we absolutely could improve on him. And as a fan, that's always what I am looking for. The team should always be moving forward and in a state of positive change/ development. My point is if we sign Wharton it would be to replace Jones or Dom or someone like that. We have enough midfielders, and Slot likes them all. Keeping those 4 AND Wharton is overkill. I think it's a given that Endo will go next summer, as he won't want a third season being a back up or 'finisher'. I imagine that one more will also move on at the end of the upcoming season, too. For me, there are question marks over Jones, Mac Allister and Szoboszlai. For different reasons. Jones will be fourth/fifth choice this season and for the foreseeable, is he happy to stick around be a squad player? Mac Allister will have just two years left on his contract and he turns 27 during the season. It would not surprise me one bit if clubs like Real Madrid and PSG start to get in Alexis' ear and look to make a move. Szoboszlai will also have only two years left on his contract, but he is a couple of years younger than Mac Allister. However, with Wirtz playing as the '10' for the next however many years, I have slight concerns as to where Szoboszlai fits in in our team. For me, Szoboszlai is at his best as the most attacking member of a midfield three, and he is not particularly adept at knitting things together and dictating play in a deeper midfield role. As seen against Palace last weekend when he gave the ball away a few times in dangerous areas. |
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Post by Kinshaman on Aug 13, 2025 9:00:45 GMT
Winger and DM . Thats pretty much it That is asking for a lot. So on top of two CBs and Isak, you want a DM and a winger? That'd be the sprinkles on top of the cherry on top of the icing on top of the cake. Almost zero chance of it happening of course. This summer. |
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Post by Lazyangel1 on Aug 13, 2025 9:01:24 GMT
Seen some concerns from fans about Leoni's pace.
It's true that he doesn't look like a fast CB, but he doesn't exactly look problematically slow either. Plus he seems to have good mobility which is important for a big guy at the highest level.
Matip wasn't quick either but was still very good for us. I think you can get away without having elite pace as a CB as long as the rest of your game is good enough to compensate, we'll see how he does.
Having said that I do think pairing Leoni with someone who is very quick is the way to go, like we did Matip with VVD. Got to have at least one fast CB in a pairing imo.
We've got Guehi who's quick yes, but I'm still not yet sure about him being our number one choice long term tbh. Funnily enough, his teammate at Palace, Lacroix, is one of the fastest CB's in the league and some think we should've targeted him instead.
With VVD most likely leaving in 2 years, and Konate being 28 in 2 years, I'd look for a super quick CB at some point in the next 2 years to replace them.
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Post by Ayles on Aug 13, 2025 9:04:13 GMT
As if Doak isn’t a greater threat than Salah. What’s Salah done in pre-season to prove himself 🙄 Quite frankly none of that made any sense. Frimpong & Kerkez don’t count, because they’re replacing TAA & Robbo? Huh. What? Kerkez is an undeniable upgrade, pushing Robbo back a notch and we will gain massive athletic ground with the intro of Frimpong, though I concede we may miss those fleeting moments of magic that TAA could provide. But we net improve massively regardless. Then finally to fail to see that the creativity, directness and pace will actually come from these new additions was all that post needed to fail to hit on so many levels. I haven’t even had to mention what Wirtz will bring. The only balls up, was the words being spat out. Salah not a proper winger… **** me… Having one of our best transfer windows ever and some are complaining. Madness. Slot doesn;t help, he's a bit of a troll, not long after he said he was happy with our defensive positions and alluded to Grav and Endo everyone went a little bonkers  Hopefully he is still happy with our forwards  |
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Post by Paullfc1976 on Aug 13, 2025 9:05:16 GMT
That is asking for a lot. So on top of two CBs and Isak, you want a DM and a winger? That'd be the sprinkles on top of the cherry on top of the icing on top of the cake. Almost zero chance of it happening of course. This summer. Exactly |
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Post by Paullfc1976 on Aug 13, 2025 9:05:34 GMT
Having one of our best transfer windows ever and some are complaining. Madness. Slot doesn;t help, he's a bit of a troll, not long after he said he was happy with our defensive positions and alluded to Grav and Endo everyone went a little bonkers Hopefully he is still happy with our forwards Hahaha |
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Post by Lazyangel1 on Aug 13, 2025 9:07:18 GMT
Never listen to Slot when it comes to transfers lol.
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Post by Shed on Aug 13, 2025 9:09:46 GMT
Seen some concerns from fans about Leoni's pace. It's true that he doesn't look like a fast CB, but he doesn't exactly look problematically slow either. Plus he seems to have good mobility which is important for a big guy at the highest level. Matip wasn't quick either but was still very good for us. I think you can get away without having elite pace as a CB as long as the rest of your game is good enough to compensate, we'll see how he does. Having said that I do think pairing Leoni with someone who is very quick is the way to go, like we did Matip with VVD. Got to have at least one fast CB in a pairing imo. We've got Guehi who's quick yes, but I'm still not yet sure about him being our number one choice long term tbh. Funnily enough, his teammate at Palace, Lacroix, is one of the fastest CB's in the league and some think we should've targeted him instead. With VVD most likely leaving in 2 years, and Konate being 28 in 2 years, I'd look for a super quick CB at some point in the next 2 years to replace them. Spot on about Matip. Btw still think he was one of the most underrated players ever for us. |
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Post by Lonewolfkal on Aug 13, 2025 9:11:20 GMT
Maybe because we have loaned out so many of our younger defenders before or because Romano commented on it last night on the back of rumours of him possibly going back on loan. I can never remember us spending over 30m on a young defender to loan him back out again, your thinking of ones coming through the clubs ranks, I said he would not be loaned out , before romano said it , this kid is ready now and ready to explode, He will get loads of game time this coming season last time i recall 30m being spent on a defender it was rio a few decades ago. if the lad is same or better, damn we have a bargain |
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Post by Malikallister on Aug 13, 2025 9:12:42 GMT
Maybe because we have loaned out so many of our younger defenders before or because Romano commented on it last night on the back of rumours of him possibly going back on loan. I can never remember us spending over 30m on a young defender to loan him back out again, your thinking of ones coming through the clubs ranks, I said he would not be loaned out , before romano said it , this kid is ready now and ready to explode, He will get loads of game time this coming season I hope so. Like I said I hope he plays alot of matches this season and smokes a few players |
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Post by Malikallister on Aug 13, 2025 9:13:10 GMT
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Post by Bekloppter on Aug 13, 2025 9:14:43 GMT
My point is if we sign Wharton it would be to replace Jones or Dom or someone like that. We have enough midfielders, and Slot likes them all. Keeping those 4 AND Wharton is overkill. I think it's a given that Endo will go next summer, as he won't want a third season being a back up or 'finisher'. I imagine that one more will also move on at the end of the upcoming season, too. For me, there are question marks over Jones, Mac Allister and Szoboszlai. For different reasons. Jones will be fourth/fifth choice this season and for the foreseeable, is he happy to stick around be a squad player? Mac Allister will have just two years left on his contract and he turns 27 during the season. It would not surprise me one bit if clubs like Real Madrid and PSG start to get in Alexis' ear and look to make a move. Szoboszlai will also have only two years left on his contract, but he is a couple of years younger than Mac Allister. However, with Wirtz playing as the '10' for the next however many years, I have slight concerns as to where Szoboszlai fits in in our team. For me, Szoboszlai is at his best as the most attacking member of a midfield three, and he is not particularly adept at knitting things together and dictating play in a deeper midfield role. As seen against Palace last weekend when he gave the ball away a few times in dangerous areas. Agreed on Jones. I don't see us selling Macca or Szobo anytime soon, though. Szobo has his challenges adapting to the new role, but I think he can and will. He could become a bit of our Valverde-type utility player whom Slot can use at CM, AM, RB or LW and he can play a 7/10 game regularly. Macca I think will be important to keep for squad stability. I don't think having too much turnover is healthy. 27/28 is not a high age for a central midfielder, it's when they enter their prime. Selling Diaz, who relies on his stamina, work rate and pace a lot, seems sensible. I wouldn't want us to do the same with Macca at that age. You can't just have 22-25 year old players, you need experienced leaders and Macca has won everything. This goes double once the likes of VVD, Salah and Robbo are no longer at the club. I don't see a need for high turnover in the area of the pitch we rebuilt just recently. Let's focus on finding someone for the Salah area of the pitch and improve fringe player areas like an Endo, possibly Jones replacement. A new backup to Kerkez once Robbos contract ends. That's more than enough, we shouldn't start and become like Chelsea buying and selling countless first team players every summer. Continuity and squad gelling are an important factor for success, 2-3 signings to mix things up a bit and succession planning are fine, but let's not have the turnover we had this summer become the norm. |
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Post by Mihamiha23 on Aug 13, 2025 9:14:56 GMT
I think we Will get DM and winger in January.
Also, Mo isnt getting any younger. I guess nobony expect he can repeat last season. I hope he can, but
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Post by Malikallister on Aug 13, 2025 9:17:11 GMT
I think we Will get DM and winger in January. Also, Mo isnt getting any younger. I guess nobony expect he can repeat last season. I hope he can, but We should definitely try and go for Angelo Stiller. |
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Post by CaltexHart on Aug 13, 2025 9:24:00 GMT
Seen some concerns from fans about Leoni's pace. It's true that he doesn't look like a fast CB, but he doesn't exactly look problematically slow either. Plus he seems to have good mobility which is important for a big guy at the highest level. Matip wasn't quick either but was still very good for us. I think you can get away without having elite pace as a CB as long as the rest of your game is good enough to compensate, we'll see how he does. Having said that I do think pairing Leoni with someone who is very quick is the way to go, like we did Matip with VVD. Got to have at least one fast CB in a pairing imo. We've got Guehi who's quick yes, but I'm still not yet sure about him being our number one choice long term tbh. Funnily enough, his teammate at Palace, Lacroix, is one of the fastest CB's in the league and some think we should've targeted him instead. With VVD most likely leaving in 2 years, and Konate being 28 in 2 years, I'd look for a super quick CB at some point in the next 2 years to replace them. Spot on about Matip. Btw still think he was one of the most underrated players ever for us. When fit he was close to World Class. A perfect partner for Virg imo. |
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Post by Paullfc1976 on Aug 13, 2025 9:25:31 GMT
Spot on about Matip. Btw still think he was one of the most underrated players ever for us. When fit he was close to World Class. A perfect partner for Virg imo. He was in 18-19 but ironically the partnership that won us the league in 19-20 was VVD and Gomez, I think they played all but 2 or games together. |
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Post by Bewdleyfan on Aug 13, 2025 9:26:58 GMT
I think it's a given that Endo will go next summer, as he won't want a third season being a back up or 'finisher'. I imagine that one more will also move on at the end of the upcoming season, too. For me, there are question marks over Jones, Mac Allister and Szoboszlai. For different reasons. Jones will be fourth/fifth choice this season and for the foreseeable, is he happy to stick around be a squad player? Mac Allister will have just two years left on his contract and he turns 27 during the season. It would not surprise me one bit if clubs like Real Madrid and PSG start to get in Alexis' ear and look to make a move. Szoboszlai will also have only two years left on his contract, but he is a couple of years younger than Mac Allister. However, with Wirtz playing as the '10' for the next however many years, I have slight concerns as to where Szoboszlai fits in in our team. For me, Szoboszlai is at his best as the most attacking member of a midfield three, and he is not particularly adept at knitting things together and dictating play in a deeper midfield role. As seen against Palace last weekend when he gave the ball away a few times in dangerous areas. Agreed on Jones. I don't see us selling Macca or Szobo anytime soon, though. Szobo has his challenges adapting to the new role, but I think he can and will. He could become a bit of our Valverde-type utility player whom Slot can use at CM, AM, RB or LW and he can play a 7/10 game regularly. Macca I think will be important to keep for squad stability. I don't think having too much turnover is healthy. 27/28 is not a high age for a central midfielder, it's when they enter their prime. Selling Diaz, who relies on his stamina, work rate and pace a lot, seems sensible. I wouldn't want us to do the same with Macca at that age. You can't just have 22-25 year old players, you need experienced leaders and Macca has won everything. This goes double once the likes of VVD, Salah and Robbo are no longer at the club. I don't see a need for high turnover in the area of the pitch we rebuilt just recently. Let's focus on finding someone for the Salah area of the pitch and improve fringe player areas like an Endo, possibly Jones replacement. A new backup to Kerkez once Robbos contract ends. That's more than enough, we shouldn't start and become like Chelsea buying and selling countless first team players every summer. Continuity and squad gelling are an important factor for success, 2-3 signings to mix things up a bit and succession planning are fine, but let's not have the turnover we had this summer become the norm. I agree. I'd be happy with Wharton/New MF, Gravenberch, Mac Allister, Szoboszlai, Jones and Nyoni as our DM/CM options for next season. However, I think that there will be interest in the likes of Mac Allister and Szoboszlai from other big clubs next summer. I don't know why, but I have always seen Mac Allister making the move to Real Madrid. He's been tentatively linked for the past year or so now and it wouldn't surprise me to see them firm up their interest at some point. I would of course rather that he stayed. |
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Post by Paullfc1976 on Aug 13, 2025 9:27:53 GMT
Virg did more and less the same to Southampton; only difference was, we shat ourselves as they threatened to report us for tapping up and we pulled out until January. Did he go that far Paul? My memory has faded. I've swum around the goldfish bowl twice today already.  An ex-Southampton player (Charlie Austin?) and he said that VVD was desperate to leave and did refuse to play I think, but he was brought back into the fold after apologising to the group and the players wanted him back anyway. |
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Post by Jayfilly16 on Aug 13, 2025 9:36:54 GMT
Probably means the end for Gomez I don't understand how we sell quansah because people on here were saying he needs to play at his age to buy a defender who's young and Also needs game time , one who has zero experience in the premier league |
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Post by CaltexHart on Aug 13, 2025 9:40:21 GMT
When fit he was close to World Class. A perfect partner for Virg imo. He was in 18-19 but ironically the partnership that won us the league in 19-20 was VVD and Gomez, I think they played all but 2 or games together. I would argue he was even better in 21-22. I also rate Gomez higher than most people on here though. |
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Post by Namrod on Aug 13, 2025 9:40:57 GMT
Probably means the end for Gomez I don't understand how we skills quansah because people on here were saying he needs to play at his age to buy a defender who's young and Also needs game time , one who has zero experience in the premier league Quansah didn't get more game time because he wasn't what Slot wanted from a CB. Leoni will get more game time because he's Slot's choice, and has the physical attibutes that Slot seems to value. |
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Post by Grenny158 on Aug 13, 2025 9:41:45 GMT
Winger and DM . Thats pretty much it That is asking for a lot. So on top of two CBs and Isak, you want a DM and a winger? He was answering my post, Paul, and referring to future windows after this one is closed (and assumes we get Guehi, Isak and Leoni in now). |
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Post by Yehez on Aug 13, 2025 9:42:26 GMT
My point is if we sign Wharton it would be to replace Jones or Dom or someone like that. We have enough midfielders, and Slot likes them all. Keeping those 4 AND Wharton is overkill. I think it's a given that Endo will go next summer, as he won't want a third season being a back up or 'finisher'. I imagine that one more will also move on at the end of the upcoming season, too. For me, there are question marks over Jones, Mac Allister and Szoboszlai. For different reasons. Jones will be fourth/fifth choice this season and for the foreseeable, is he happy to stick around be a squad player? Mac Allister will have just two years left on his contract and he turns 27 during the season. It would not surprise me one bit if clubs like Real Madrid and PSG start to get in Alexis' ear and look to make a move. Szoboszlai will also have only two years left on his contract, but he is a couple of years younger than Mac Allister. However, with Wirtz playing as the '10' for the next however many years, I have slight concerns as to where Szoboszlai fits in in our team. For me, Szoboszlai is at his best as the most attacking member of a midfield three, and he is not particularly adept at knitting things together and dictating play in a deeper midfield role. As seen against Palace last weekend when he gave the ball away a few times in dangerous areas. While I disagree sightly on Dom, and Jones being happy as a squad player, I think what you're saying is all very likely. I can defo see Mac moving next summer along with Endo, and we just replace them with one world beater, or would be world beater (Wharton). 4 midfielders for two postions is good enough. That's not counting Nyoni too who'll be a year older next year. |
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Post by Beige on Aug 13, 2025 9:43:05 GMT
I think we Will get DM and winger in January. Also, Mo isnt getting any younger. I guess nobony expect he can repeat last season. I hope he can, but I very much hope he doesn't repeat last season as he was again shite for half of it. Hopefully we can manage him better and Egypt go out in the group stages. |
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Post by Bekloppter on Aug 13, 2025 9:43:29 GMT
It may be blind optimism or desperation, but somehow I feel it's a good sign that we didn't get a new level of escalation on the Isak sage today (yet), like "he's ready to jump into the Tyne if he won't get his move".
Things going more quiet is exactly what I would expect to happen once all parties decide to have a sitdown, aim for damage control and work out a solution that works for everyone. I hope that's exactly what is happening now.
Didn't one journalist say yesterday that Newcastle are planning a couple of Isak related sitdowns this week. Meanwhile they are closing in on several deals, Thiaw done, Ramsey and Wissa close. We're also finalising our CB deals. Sounds like a ceasefire and then we'll hopefully see significant movement on this matter next week.
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Post by Beige on Aug 13, 2025 9:48:28 GMT
For the most part he isn't wrong - I wouldn't like to see Virgil do this to us, for example. But where he may be wrong is that he cannot know for sure whether Newcastle have reneged on things behind the scenes. There are at least two sides to any story. Often more than that. Agreed. I don't think this is wrong at all. Being able to essentially not do your job while under contract and still get paid £100s thousands a week is wild. Its just an individual attitude thing really. If i was him at Newcastle, and i had the chance to join Liverpool, i'd be making sure everyone at the club and the fans knew i wanted to go, because it is simply my dream, and nothing against Newcastle and i'd do everything to make it happen inc. handing in a transfer request as moving to the club i love would be more important than a loyalty payment payday. But i'd also remain professional and still train, play and give my all while the clubs moved in the background. The problem was that Newcastle wasn't moving in the background. Isak waited for 2 months so doubt doing it for a month longer would have helped. Sometimes transfers get messy but that's why you usually just accept it and get as good a fee as possible for the player. We'll likely see that next summer with Macca and Real IMHO. |
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