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Post by BauerLFC on Aug 15, 2025 8:09:31 GMT
Chiesa has looked 45 every time he's taken to the pitch for us. A talented 45 year old sure, but 45 nonetheless.
And Doak didn't pull up at trees on loan at Middlesbrough.
Those two aren't the answer to anything at Liverpool.
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Post by JayCutlersThumb on Aug 15, 2025 8:12:28 GMT
Chiesa has looked 45 every time he's taken to the pitch for us. A talented 45 year old sure, but 45 nonetheless. And Doak didn't pull up at trees on loan at Middlesbrough. Those two aren't the answer to anything at Liverpool. Wasn't Doak their player of the year until he got injured? I agree he should be moved on though.
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Post by Grenny158 on Aug 15, 2025 8:12:44 GMT
No reason to sell either Doak or Chiesa .. irrespective of whether Slot intends to use them frequently, they still remain useful options to have on the bench for what will be a very busy season. Even if they get only 15 games between them, that is still 15 games that affords a measure of rest for the starters. It's difficult for Chiesa to get 15 mins never mind 15 games. Slot obviously doesn't rate him at all and to be honest most of the minutes he gets he looks like he won a raffle to get into the team. I take your point on Doak, even as an emergency option during the AFCON it may make sense to have him available. Thing is - if Slot had no intention of using him this season, surely he would have been let go, even if we had to take a small loss on it. The guy is not a bad player, he just has not had much opportunity .. maybe with 3 attackers gone and only one (two) brought in, there could be more opportunity for him. Let's see. I actually rate him higher as an option then I do Doak.
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Post by Bekloppter on Aug 15, 2025 8:17:57 GMT
How do you determine what is a true option or not? Who are you discounting here, aside from Chiesa? True option = someone Slot trusts to play meaningful minutes in the league or in champions league. Last year, that was Salah, Diaz, Gakpo, Jota, and Nunez. Even with Slot not rating Nunez, he still played 1500 minutes in those two competitions. And it can easily be argued that we need better depth this year, with Salah being gone for AFCON, and fatigue seeming to be an issue for much of the squad at the end end of the season. Right now, we have Salah, Gakpo, and Ekitike. Isak would be a 4th. Rio is very exciting, but he’s 16 and didn’t feature in the community shield. People can talk about Frimpong being a Salah replacement, but that only works if Bradley can stay healthy, which he hasn’t been able to do. And if wirtz moves into the attack and/or we go to a 442, that just increases the need for more midfield depth. For me, we need 5 attackers we feel comfortable starting in any game, and a 6th who can step in and do a solid job when needed. I am comfortable with Rio being that 6th attacker, and hopefully getting more minutes than chiesa (who needs to be moved if slot isn’t going to play him regularly) did last year. I think we need Isak and one more who can provide quality depth. Not a star, but a Gakpo-level player. I think it's more worthwhile to look at squad minutes rather than positions. Compared to last season, we're now missing 8.388 minutes of last seasons attackers to share between Wirtz, Ekitiké an Isak. That's roughly 2.800 per player, roughly the amount of minutes Gakpo had, and less than the likes of Diaz or Szoboszlai. Arguably all three should and will play more minutes than that next season. For example at Leverkusen Wirtz played around the same minutes as Diaz did for us last season (~3.400), despite Wirtz being out injured for a couple of games. Sure, Wirtz will take some minutes from midfielders like Szoboszlai and Macca, who both played around 3.500 minutes. But surely nobody would expect the number of minutes of either of those players to be cut in half or something? If we add their combined total of 7.000 minutes to the 8.388 of the attackers we get an average of 3.000 minutes for Wirtz, Ekitiké, Isak, Szoboszlai and Macca. That's really not a lot. Real Madrid had half their squad, an entire first 11 of players, who played more than that last season. All the while we also have Frimpong who Slot has twice expicitly mentioned as having earmarked him as a potential Salah replacement during AFCON even stating that this was one of the reasons he was signed (there were many others, of course). Sure, Frimpong will have to contribute to the combined ~4.400 minutes of Bradley and Trent last season, so Bradley and Frimpong would have to contribute 2.200 minutes each there. But that's actually less minutes than Jones had last season, so nowhere near the minutes of a clear starter. And if we were to get in both of Guehi and Leoni that also ignores the fact that those will probably get some minutes at RB in some way or another. Because they surely would get more minutes than Quansah and Gomez did last season (~2.000 so 1.000 each) - and Gomez may still be here, too. So that would free up Frimpong minutes or cover for Bradley if his injuries woes continue.
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Post by Fowi on Aug 15, 2025 8:18:51 GMT
It's difficult for Chiesa to get 15 mins never mind 15 games. Slot obviously doesn't rate him at all and to be honest most of the minutes he gets he looks like he won a raffle to get into the team. I take your point on Doak, even as an emergency option during the AFCON it may make sense to have him available. Thing is - if Slot had no intention of using him this season, surely he would have been let go, even if we had to take a small loss on it. The guy is not a bad player, he just has not had much opportunity .. maybe with 3 attackers gone and only one (two) brought in, there could be more opportunity for him. Let's see. I actually rate him higher as an option then I do Doak. I think Wirtz, Frimpong or even Szobo will get the nod up front before Chiesa does and that tells you everything.
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Post by LFCMachine on Aug 15, 2025 8:22:47 GMT
Chiesa has looked 45 every time he's taken to the pitch for us. A talented 45 year old sure, but 45 nonetheless. And Doak didn't pull up at trees on loan at Middlesbrough. Those two aren't the answer to anything at Liverpool. Chiesa will be babysitting Leoni
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Post by GordonOttershaw on Aug 15, 2025 8:24:49 GMT
I cannot understand why forum members consider it's ok to go into a new season looking to challenge for trophies weaker in the one area of football that is primary, goals. We have three strikers in place at the start of the season. Today.
There is no way we can compete and we may even have difficulty in making CL qualification for next year.
Living on hope.
What a crazy position fans believe we can perform miracles without spending money. It has no concern to me how much we have to spend to remain competitive. Certainly we are not competitive as we stand. At a bare minimum we need to get two strikers in order to be able to rotate and freshen up the attack. People forget that Mo is away at AFCON and we have massive Premiership games as well as CL games in that period. Playing with only three front line strikers every three days is not an option, it could be a disaster.
Hughes and Edwards get your business done.
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Post by Fowi on Aug 15, 2025 8:25:50 GMT
I cannot understand why forum members consider it's ok to go into a new season looking to challenge for trophies weaker in the one area of football that is primary, goals. We have three strikers in place at the start of the season. Today. There is no way we can compete and we may even have difficulty in making CL qualification for next year. Living on hope. What a crazy position fans believe we can perform miracles without spending money. It has no concern to me how much we have to spend to remain competitive. Certainly we are not competitive as we stand. At a bare minimum we need to get two strikers in order to be able to rotate and freshen up the attack. People forget that Mo is away at AFCON and we have massive Premiership games as well as CL games in that period. Playing with only three front line strikers every three days is not an option, it could be a disaster. Hughes and Edwards get your business done. We undoubtedly need at least one more forward. That's non debatable.
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Post by Sloop on Aug 15, 2025 8:26:40 GMT
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Post by Cvlfc91 on Aug 15, 2025 8:37:57 GMT
Where's the article about Arteta who has also spent huge and won **** all? Absolute nonsense from BBC
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Post by Paullfc1976 on Aug 15, 2025 8:39:39 GMT
Where's the article about Arteta who has also spent huge and won **** all? Absolute nonsense from BBC Arsenal are more prepared for the Premier League season but can Mikel Arteta finally deliver a title? www.skysports.com/share/13410557
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Post by Ayles on Aug 15, 2025 8:40:35 GMT
Here it comes 
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Post by Sredder on Aug 15, 2025 8:41:25 GMT
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Post by Bekloppter on Aug 15, 2025 8:42:22 GMT
I cannot understand why forum members consider it's ok to go into a new season looking to challenge for trophies weaker in the one area of football that is primary, goals. We have three strikers in place at the start of the season. Today. There is no way we can compete and we may even have difficulty in making CL qualification for next year. Living on hope. What a crazy position fans believe we can perform miracles without spending money. It has no concern to me how much we have to spend to remain competitive. Certainly we are not competitive as we stand. At a bare minimum we need to get two strikers in order to be able to rotate and freshen up the attack. People forget that Mo is away at AFCON and we have massive Premiership games as well as CL games in that period. Playing with only three front line strikers every three days is not an option, it could be a disaster. Hughes and Edwards get your business done. I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone on this board who doesn't think getting another forward in isn't vital to achieve our goals. Even Slot, who's usually just repeating that he's happy with the squad, said we need to add in attack. As for anything beyond that, see my post in the changing tactics thread.
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Post by Cvlfc91 on Aug 15, 2025 8:43:18 GMT
Also Chelsea should have run away with the title last season with the amount they have spent.
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Post by Ste on Aug 15, 2025 8:43:51 GMT
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Post by Lazyangel1 on Aug 15, 2025 8:44:03 GMT
I will say that things have gone suspiciously quiet on the Malick Fofana front.
Feels a bit like Ekitike when Chelsea were interested, then it went really quiet for a bit and fans were speculating he's waiting for us, and then it happened.
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Post by Ayles on Aug 15, 2025 8:44:25 GMT
Where's the article about Arteta who has also spent huge and won **** all? Absolute nonsense from BBC Arsenal are more prepared for the Premier League season but can Mikel Arteta finally deliver a title? www.skysports.com/share/13410557I read that too I rated him a couple of years ago, his Arsenal side played superb football and improved 2 seasons in a row. They looked ready to take the next leap. He bought Rice, more importantly didn’t invest up front god knows why he bought Sterling and then last season was the weirdest season ever; injuries aside they just sacked off most of their footballing principals that got them so far. Seen the other article about Slot being under pressure; make no bones about it Arteta is the man under the most pressure this term; 5 years with nothing, hundreds of millions spent he has to deliver big or his tenure is classed as a fail for me and that’s not a tribal comment; he’s in his 5th year of this “project”
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Post by Amaranth on Aug 15, 2025 8:44:52 GMT
It's difficult for Chiesa to get 15 mins never mind 15 games. Slot obviously doesn't rate him at all and to be honest most of the minutes he gets he looks like he won a raffle to get into the team. I take your point on Doak, even as an emergency option during the AFCON it may make sense to have him available. Thing is - if Slot had no intention of using him this season, surely he would have been let go, even if we had to take a small loss on it. The guy is not a bad player, he just has not had much opportunity .. maybe with 3 attackers gone and only one (two) brought in, there could be more opportunity for him. Let's see. I actually rate him higher as an option then I do Doak. I agree with you though some other fans have lost faith in Chiesa. I believe he could become an impact-sub, playing say 20 mins a game which his fitness level would allow, and his football intelligence could compensate for his lack of pace. It could be useful for us esp if we only add 1 attacker this summer, but as mentioned he probably wants more playing time elsewhere and will presumably be moved on.
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Post by ForeverRed1973 on Aug 15, 2025 8:45:08 GMT
Chiesa has looked 45 every time he's taken to the pitch for us. A talented 45 year old sure, but 45 nonetheless. And Doak didn't pull up at trees on loan at Middlesbrough. Those two aren't the answer to anything at Liverpool. Chiesa will be babysitting Leoni ...and will give him english lessons
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Post by Ayles on Aug 15, 2025 8:47:13 GMT
Chiesa will be babysitting Leoni ...and will give him english lessons This is bench These are bibs This is training pitch I think this is Anfield That’s type of stuff
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Post by XAIAX on Aug 15, 2025 8:49:55 GMT
...and will give him english lessons This is bench These are bibs This is training pitch I think this is Anfield That’s type of stuff As for time? Five minutes. This is all I’ve ever needed to learn. Ok good luck Gio.
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Post by Ayles on Aug 15, 2025 8:50:33 GMT
This is bench These are bibs This is training pitch I think this is Anfield That’s type of stuff As for time? Five minutes. This is all I’ve ever needed to learn. Ok good luck Gio. Haha
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Post by Bekloppter on Aug 15, 2025 8:51:33 GMT
Is it, really? Have you read the entire article? The headline is sensationalist, but the article itself seems rather balanced and all the points seem valid. And the questions raised are answered quite positively: "I don't see Slot being the kind of manager who gets too preoccupied with pressure. He looks very calm. He seems to be very articulate and knows how to handle different situations." "Slot's temperament throughout last season was pretty exquisite. There were not too many times where he seemed rattled. I know you could say it is easier to be calm and articulate when you are winning games, but even when they lost to Paris St-Germain in the Champions League, or when they lost to Newcastle United in the Carabao Cup final, he still remained really calm and controlled. He was good with his words, said the right things. There was still a real clear focus from him, so I don't see him being too affected by the outside noise. He has shown he can cope with that." "Liverpool fans probably didn't expect what happened last season. They are aware there has been a turnaround of quite a few players, so if the season doesn't start brilliantly smoothly, with them winning every game, they will still stay right behind Slot because they know what he is capable of. He has credit in the bank. He hardly put a foot wrong in his first season."
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Post by Ayles on Aug 15, 2025 8:53:29 GMT
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Post by Y80NWA on Aug 15, 2025 8:55:08 GMT
The whole Brentford Bournemouth, Newcastle domino was real, but they still need someone else aswell
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Post by Ayles on Aug 15, 2025 8:56:16 GMT
Is it, really? Have you read the entire article? The headline is sensationalist, but the article itself seems rather balanced and all the points seem valid. And the questions raised are answered quite positively: "I don't see Slot being the kind of manager who gets too preoccupied with pressure. He looks very calm. He seems to be very articulate and knows how to handle different situations." "Slot's temperament throughout last season was pretty exquisite. There were not too many times where he seemed rattled. I know you could say it is easier to be calm and articulate when you are winning games, but even when they lost to Paris St-Germain in the Champions League, or when they lost to Newcastle United in the Carabao Cup final, he still remained really calm and controlled. He was good with his words, said the right things. There was still a real clear focus from him, so I don't see him being too affected by the outside noise. He has shown he can cope with that." "Liverpool fans probably didn't expect what happened last season. They are aware there has been a turnaround of quite a few players, so if the season doesn't start brilliantly smoothly, with them winning every game, they will still stay right behind Slot because they know what he is capable of. He has credit in the bank. He hardly put a foot wrong in his first season." The interesting thing is the transition from Klopps side to Slots side. Once Isak signs Arne will have 5 of his own players in the first team. I’m really looking forward to seeing a Slot side. For me this season the question is can we go back to the start of last season where we conceded very few chances and goals compared to the back end of the season.
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Post by GreatScott1987 on Aug 15, 2025 8:58:33 GMT
Look who wrote it. The biggest blueshite around.
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Post by Lazyangel1 on Aug 15, 2025 8:58:34 GMT
I'm fine with people saying Slot's under pressure, as it should be really. World class players like Wirtz and potentially Isak will be coming here to win major trophies. As was reported a while back, Isak wants to come here because he wants to win the CL, not just be in it. There's definitely pressure and I like that.
I do think there needs to be articles on Chelsea and United's spending by the BBC though, and the pressure they're under too.
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Post by Fowi on Aug 15, 2025 8:59:51 GMT
I'm fine with people saying Slot's under pressure, as it should be really. World class players like Wirtz and potentially Isak will be coming here to win major trophies. As was reported a while back, Isak wants to come here because he wants to win the CL, not just be in it. There's definitely pressure and I like that.
I do think there needs to be an articles on Chelsea and United's spending by the BBC though, and the pressure they're under too. Champions are always under pressure. You're not going to get "I know you won the title last year, but it's ok to finish 5h now" thing.
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